OK Hopefully we have all calmed down now.
This thread is about the campaign tactics of some of the pressure groups. The thought process is that if we can start acting like adults then we might actually be taken seriously by the government and the courts.
The overwhelming consensus of the pressure groups, the courts, the legal profession and great many Politian’s is that change is desperately required.
Personally I am not over concerned with financial arrangements except where they impinge on child custody issues. The children of this country are a concern for all of us, as our children are the future of this country.
Starting from a position that children need both parents, unless EXTREME circumstances prevent this, I feel this is a fairly middle of the road position that most people can sign up to.
Some Wiki members have expressed disquiet about such a thread, and if that is the majority view, then I will happily move on. I dare say the Wikik team will have on their agenda for the future, some kind of voting protocol, however without account verification it would be as meaningless as the straw polls on my Blog.
I don’t personally believe that it is the majority view that semi political threads are not welcome on Wikivorce, but the thread somewhat deviated in its early stages which has led to its stalling.
I have used GEEKY forums for years, and I can tell you, if you ever make the mistake of misposting or seriously deviating off subject you are evicted swiftly. The end result are very concise forums that have progressed this technology no end. I fully appreciate that people at wiki are new to a lot of this, but we all have a very powerful tool at our disposal here, a tool that if correctly managed can make a small but important difference.
I am quite conservative and I do have a personal issue with dare devil tactics on two levels. Firstly, it is a FACT in any democracy, governments will not be bullied into change. The IRA analogy is not entirely fair one: many people in Ireland were interned and jailed for many years, many innocent people died and before any concessions were made they had to lay down their weapons and stop their illegal activity and that took about 60 years.
Secondly, while in a court room in 2004, listening to a Judge explain to me why he was going to throw out Cafcass’s recommendation of shared residence and split up my children he directly referenced FFJ and their support for joint residence, which he then went on to say, and I paraphrase, he personally wasn’t going to be bullied and didn’t agree with it. He also intimated that I was something to do with them.
I absolutely wasn’t, I had contacted Captain Pugwash in the previous year, as they were attacking some legal firm in Bristol by encouraging people to flood the e mail, fax and telephone lines. I wrote to him and suggested this wasn’t the most sensible method of protest, the result was my e mail was propagated on MSN and I was verbally abused until I blocked them and refused all other contact requests.
I don’t like bullies and I think these campaign tactics SUCK, if we join together we can change this, if we carry on like we are, we can look forward to the next sixty years as it is.
PLEASE COMMENT ON SUBJECT.

seen it and commented on this

I have also engaged this discussion
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=5110&post=16636&uid=2226308434#post16636
But what I was really interested in was the view of people on Wikivorce. You can boycott the thread all you like but until a consensus is achieved then dont expect anything other than a total nightmare if child custody is part of your divorce.


NO COMMENT REQUIRED LYN.....please

What i don't understand is why nobody from fathers 4 Justice has made comment.
I know that senior members of the organisation are aware of this thread and the video. It's a fair enough question from a member. You represent my cause, I seriously disagree with the tactics. I am a father and I want justice for MY CHILDREN and you don't represent my views. Can someone please address the question

Youtube Mothers4justice board or I will put you up a board.

A 12 month suspension of dare devil tactics, why not?

Somebody from the top quarter of this page would be good

I’m a father, single parent with 3 children, a girl and 2 boys. Their mother decided that she didn’t want family life, and left the house saying she was going to be selfish and take and take. She left me with debts. I had to pay her costs, while she left spending the child benefit and her wages on her self, while I struggled with her debts, child care costs, going to work to do a full days work and be father and mother 2 the 3 children. People ask how you do it, you don’t know because you don’t think. Clothes have to be washed, meals cooked so had to learn to cook, to tender to all 3 kids while they were mentally hurt by their mum. If you think you probably say you can’t do these things, so you don’t and get on with it.

The biggest annoyance was that everything was geared to the woman. I had to pay her court costs, so it put me more in debt and pressure on family life. Gradually claimed the child benefit, but because I was earning just over the limit no other tax benefits. I’m a proud dad and don’t want to rely on the government. So when I have to be in 4 places at once I prioritise. It’s the only thing I can do. Its bloody hard work.

What needs to change is the thinking it’s the man who wants to leave the kids and the family. Some times it’s the woman.


Now she’s out parting, drinking her self drunk and holidaying in Cuba and then wants to pay child maintenance in arrears against the court order. The courts need an open mind in divorce cases.

Not the man's to blame. thinking!!

Because that’s how it felt when I went to court. Even then the judge won’t accept that she didn’t what them and she left on her own accord with no violence, just that I would let her get the family deeper into debt. She had money given to her by her mum, she spend on her self. Never on me or the kids. She then every 4 years ran up debts and then missed payments on the loans. And finally she said she wanted more out of life. And walked out, when her son asked her to stay. He was 12 years old. I sat with him and comforted him.


She rushed the divorce through trying to take the kids home away. And her selfish attitude that the kids will get over it. My daughter is aged 16, and doesn’t speak to her mother. I have a letter for the judge by her still unopened, telling the judge why she doesn’t want to go to her mother. It was never needed and just sits among the papers.

There was no reason why she left. What she sited for divorce, 1) I was going to paint the house which cause my daughter to cry(after she asked for a divorced). 2) I said she wont inherit any thing from my father. 3) Her mother was not leaving anything to her but the grand children. 4) Her mother cut her off after they rowed about her spending, I was to blame

Hi there great man,
have a look at this posting, think this will lift your spirits a bit.
Innocent ment get a raw deal.
I chatted with you this morning, my husband was in the same position as you,ex wife leaving. I know how he struggled. I think it is quite appalling. Greatest respect to you both and all who struggle.
I know lots of women get a raw deal too.
So sad the innocent one suffers.

I admire you for doing this , I had a history teacher he brought up his son we lived off Scotland road . The schoolgirls used to babysit his son. There was a programme on TV what ever happened to the Free School opened in the 1970 .

This man might of been a teacher but he was like on the poverty line, the story showed his son ended up in Oxford University.

I only know 2 men who brought up the family this was because the mother died.
My friend had no time for single parents. I was divorced for years, only when she gave birth herself did the penny drop.
Then she said I admire you for bringing up children single-handed.
The Courts STINK when it comes down to it they are not child friendly or have aclue what childcare costs or how much is needed to look-after a child.
I think children should be able to drag parents back to court to pay up regardless of gender of NRP. I have offered to now pay CSA rang them up after our case went badly wrong.
My ex does not want to accept this, frightened more like to open the old case were he was the NRP and the outstanding arrears .He paid £5 out of disability benefit.
WE called out C a Tony Blair Baby kept by tax-payers.
Now his new wife of a few months is babysitting whilst he is in lap top dancing clubs!

Ironic isn't it how life turns out for some people.

This is the trouble the courts are part of the problem not a means to an end ,sometimes more than not they make matters a lot worst for families.

Keep your chin up you can do it you are as good as any 1 else.So glad you posted this tonight ,after reading Daily mail which made me wince to be a woman made me feel ashamed to be from the same race.
Same sex couple no room for a dad article,glad my mother did not decided this 1 for me.
What a load of crap the papers print .