Phoenix1963
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Children (Access to Parents) Bill (HC Bill 174) 6 Months ago
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Hi Folks,
I got an email alert about this today. it's the first
I've heard of it. Does anyone have any more info about it? Is it an EDM,
Privater Members Bill? Is it going through, 1st/2nd reading?
As
you can see, I'm quite excited about this as it has very weighty
consequences for us NRP's.
Welcome any thoughts.
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Re:Children (Access to Parents) Bill (HC Bill 174) 6 Months ago
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Latest news on this Private Member's Bill: This Bill is expected
to have its second reading debate on 25 November 2011.(tomorrow) This Bill was introduced to Parliament on 29 March 2011 under the Ten
Minute Rule. This allows an MP to make his or her case for a new bill in a
speech lasting up to ten minutes. An opposing speech may also be made
before the House decides whether or not the bill should be introduced. If
the MP is successful the bill is taken to have had its first reading. Summary: A Bill to require courts, local
authorities and other bodies, when determining or enforcing issues of residence and contact, to operate under
the presumption that the rights of a child include the right to grow up
knowing and having access to and contact with both of the parents involved
in the residence or contact case concerned, unless exceptional
circumstances are demonstrated that such contact is not in the best
interests of the child; to create an offence if a relevant body or person
does not operate under or respect such a presumption; and for connected
purpose. I'm watching with interest...
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Re:Children (Access to Parents) Bill (HC Bill 174) 6 Months ago
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Thanks Ruby, that sheds some light. Charlie Elphick, I've heard of.
Likeminded with Brian Binley - wonder why they didn't combine their efforts
(opposing parties?)
I too watch with interest. The only trouble
with PM Bills is they tend to get quashed/deferred. I would imagine in the
current climate this is a distinct possibility.
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Re:Children (Access to Parents) Bill (HC Bill 174) 6 Months ago
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From Hansard: Motion for leave to bring
in a Bill (Standing Order No. 23 )
4.8 pm
Charlie
Elphicke (Dover) (Con): I beg to move,
That leave be given to
bring in a Bill to require courts, local authorities and other bodies, when
determining or enforcing issues of residence and contact, to operate under
the presumption that the rights of a child include the right to grow up
knowing and having access to and contact with both of the
parents involved in the residence or contact case concerned, unless
exceptional circumstances are demonstrated that such contact is not in the
best interests of the child; to create an offence if a relevant body or
person does not operate under or respect such a presumption; and for
connected purposes.
There are 3 million children who live apart
from a parent in the UK, about 1 million of whom have no contact with the
non-resident parent three years after separation. We know from the
statistics that the number of court applications is rising. In 2005, it was
110,330 and in 2009—the most recent year for which the figures are
available, I understand—it was 137,480.
We also know that the
Children and Family Court Advisory and Support Service case load has been
rising sharply. In 2007-08, there were 39,432 cases, and in 2009-10 there
were 44,722. That was the subject of a recent Public Accounts Committee
report and a National Audit Office investigation, which found that CAFCASS is not timely and that eight out of 10 Ofsted
cases are failed. That is not good enough and as a result we have a massive
delay in the court system. Even after a contact order is granted, as we all
know from our surgeries it is all too often ignored, not enforced and not
dealt with. The situation is simply unacceptable.
I am promoting
the Bill today because I believe that there is a better way. First, we
should reform things so that we have mediation rather than endless court cases. On
average, mediation costs £752 a case whereas court proceedings cost £1,682
a case, and mediation takes 110 days whereas court cases take 435 days—more
than a year. Some 95% of mediations are complete within nine months whereas
only 70% of court cases are complete within 18 months.
Secondly,
we need to reform and enforce contact properly. We need to place a duty on
all involved. Too often, people say it is about mums’ rights or dads’
rights, but actually it is about the rights of a child to know and have a
relationship with both their parents. That is the nub of what the Bill is
about. It is not right that parents should sink their children’s right to
know them in a sea of acrimony when they split up.
There are
those who would say, “That doesn’t happen. The Bill is not necessary; it is
a waste of parliamentary time. It’s not an issue. Why is Mr Elphicke
bothering to do this?” Let me give some case studies. Mrs A, of Wootton in
my constituency, wrote to me about her son’s experience with his children.
She said:
“Each time a visit is due their mother creates a great
deal of hassle—never being able to give a precise date etc. and has twice
prevented the visit completely.”
The son went off to court to
get a contact order. The letter went on:
“He has been in front
of several different judges and every one has refused to do anything at
all—just shrugging their shoulders, treating my son like a criminal, not
even looking at the paper work and evidence. They just say there is nothing
they can do.”
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Mr G of Dover
writes to me:
“I understand as they are my children I should
help towards their upbringing, but surely this should not just involve
paying my ex money and only speaking to them on a Sunday morning for 30
mins.”
Some people might think that this is all about dads. No,
it is not. Let me give an example. Kenn Griffiths of mychildcontact.com
sent me details of a case involving a mother who was divorced several years
ago. The father has residence and the mother tells a moving story about how
the father has been poisoning her children against her, telling them that
she is ill and will never get better and that if they live with her they
will make her even more ill. He has been saying the same to the CAFCASS
representative. The only information the CAFCASS representative had in
front of her was the father’s allegations, and she recommended that the
mother see the children every other weekend in a contact centre, not for
half the time as she does at the moment. Surely that cannot be the right
way forward.
Let me give another case from just last week, of
Tommy, a soldier from Coventry. He has a six-year-old daughter who lives
with her mother. Court proceedings started last year. There was contact
until January of this year, when the mother ended it. There was a court
hearing and it all kicked off because CAFCASS could not get its ducks in a
row until October of this year, but there is an issue here. Tommy is a
soldier and he is about to be deployed to Afghanistan at the end of this
month—this week, he will go to Afghanistan.
In January, Tommy
applied for a specific order so that he could see his six-year-old daughter
and take his leave of her before he went to serve his country—and,
possibly, did not come back. He applied to the court. Was the judge at the
hearing sympathetic? Did he allow Tommy to take leave of his six-year-old
daughter before he went off to war? The judge said that it was unreasonable
of him to ask to see his daughter and he should wait until October 2011
before the court would resume proceedings. This is a man who is off to
serve his country. I wholeheartedly condemn that judge at Leicester county
court for living in an ivory tower and having no idea about the real world
and the parents’ feelings about seeing their children.
Let me
detail the case of an alienated mother in which the father has the
residence order for their two boys. They had 46 hearings between 2000 and
2006 before contact was finally achieved, by which time the damage had been
done and the children were so alienated that they had no relationship with
their mother. How can that be right? This is the existing law that we have
to contend with.
Then there are the blackmail cases. Danny saw
his six-year-old daughter every other weekend and on Wednesday evenings. He
pays his ex-partner’s mortgage and he pays maintenance through the Child
Support Agency, but one Friday before he was due to make a visit, mum said,
“I need a new bed; if you don’t buy one, you won’t see your daughter
tomorrow.” That was two years ago and he has not seen his daughter since
because the judiciary will not enforce the contact orders. The system is
stacked against him.
The reason I am putting this Bill before
the House is to ensure that there is a clear and enforceable right of the
child—a clear presumption in law—that will send a 29 Mar 2011 :
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clear message to all those involved, including
CAFCASS and all the weak-kneed judges who will not make or enforce any
orders. To the parents who have residence orders and should know better, I
want us to send the message that this is not about their rights: it is
about their children’s rights to grow up knowing both their mother and
their father.
4.16 pm
Mr Elfyn Llwyd (Dwyfor
Meirionnydd) (PC): I rise to oppose the Bill and declare that I practised
in family law as both a solicitor and a barrister for about 35 years. I therefore draw on a
number of years’ experience in the courts. I believe that the motion has
been made with the best possible intentions, but if the Bill was passed, it
would fall foul of the law of unintended consequences.
In all
cases in which decisions are made regarding contact arrangements for children,
paramount consideration must always be given to the welfare of the child,
as required under the Children Act 1989 and article 3 of the UN convention
on the rights of the child. Thus far, the hon. Member for Dover (Charlie
Elphicke) and I agree. Sustaining meaningful relationships with
non-resident parents and other carers such as grandparents, whether male or
female, is important for meeting a child’s emotional needs. Thus far we
still agree. It is often in the best interests of the child to ensure that
contact with both parents and other carers is maintained. Again, we
agree.
However, many organisations, including the National
Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, do not support any
measures that seek to alter the paramountcy principle defined in the 1989
Act, which ensures that the welfare of children overrides all other
considerations. That is a view with which I entirely concur. There is
evidence to suggest that the paramountcy principle might be undermined by
informal arrangements. Research published by Her Majesty’s inspectorate of
court administration shows that courts already operate with an informal
presumption of contact despite there being no legislation to require that.
HMICA found that this informal arrangement has had the effect of
undermining the safety of children who were at risk by focusing courts’
attention on contact rather than on the welfare of the child. More research
is needed to assess the extent and impact of the informal use of
presumption of contact in family courts.
Fewer than one in 10
cases in which parents divorce or separate comes before a family court for
decisions to be made or disputes to be settled regarding contact
arrangements involving children, but it is important to appreciate just how
regularly the risks to a child’s welfare need to be actively considered by
judges when ruling on parental access in family courts. Research for the
Ministry of Justice in 2008 on applications for child contact across 11
courts found that the majority of cases included serious welfare concerns
about the impact on the child of domestic violence, parental mental health
issues, parental drug or alcohol misuse, a parent’s learning disability or
the likelihood of a parent abducting the child. Only 37% of applications
did not contain any serious welfare concerns which might affect the child.
The most frequent welfare concern was domestic violence, which affected 154
of the 308 case files reviewed. Domestic violence is widely recognised as a
major child protection issue, with 750,000 children witnessing domestic
violence annually.
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Victims
of domestic violence face greatest risk post-separation, and research shows
that children ordered by courts to have contact with a violent parent are
likely to be abused themselves and, in the most extreme cases, killed. In
2005 HMICA published a report on the handling of safety in family
proceedings. The research found that courts already operate with an
informal presumption of contact, even when there is nothing in legislation
to require this. The report said:
“The presumption of contact
was evident in all the practice sessions observed during this inspection
and there was consistent evidence that inappropriate assumptions about
contact were made, rather than assessments about whether there was any risk
associated with domestic abuse cases.”
More research needs to be
carried out by the Ministry of Justice. The forthcoming interim report from
the Family Justice Review, likely to be published by the end of this month,
may address the matter and its findings should not be pre-empted.
The issue of parental contact was debated in detail in the 2005-06
parliamentary Session during the passage of the Children and Adoption Bill.
The resulting Children and Adoption Act 2006 amended the Children Act 1989
to allow greater flexibility for courts facilitating contact and gave
courts powers to require parents to undertake a contact activity, such as
attending a parenting programme or information session. Following that
Bill’s passage, the then Government committed to carrying out further
research on parental access issues. Any further consideration to alter the
current arrangements should result from evidence-based research
and further study of the effects of contact on the welfare of the child.
I will offer one case study, that of Vivian Gamor. In 2007 a judge
criticised decisions which allowed a mentally ill woman access to her
children, whom she subsequently killed. Vivian Gamor, 29, beat Antoine, 10
years old, and suffocated Kenniece, three years old, in east London, in
January 2007. The judge, Peter Rook QC, said that in 29 Mar 2011 :
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retrospect Gamor should not have been given free
access to the youngsters. The serious case review highlighted many
problems. It showed that despite reports of some successful contact visits
by Ms Gamor and her plan to have the children live with her, further
efforts should have been made to contact the children’s father, with whom
they had been living, to assess the situation before deciding whether to
support Ms Gamor’s request for further contact. Judge Rook said
that
“this terrible tragedy could have been avoided if Gamor had
not been allowed unsupervised access and the children’s father’s grave
concerns had been given weight.”
Ms Gamor was sectioned for
serious mental illness in early 2006 and the children moved in with their
father. However, she was later released from care after doctors concluded
that she posed no risk to herself or others. Following her release, she was
gradually granted supervised access to the children in November 2006, and
then, on three occasions, unsupervised access to her children. It was on
the third occasion of unsupervised access that Ms Gamor killed her children
during the night at her flat, just two weeks after overnight contact had
begun.
In conclusion, we should be very wary of diluting the
paramountcy principle because it is clear that in any family breakdown, the
most vulnerable players are the children. We must continue to
have their welfare in mind first and foremost, and nothing that I have
heard today or witnessed in the family courts persuades me that a change in
the law is required.
Question put (Standing Order No. 23) and
agreed to .
Ordered ,
That Charlie Elphicke, Penny
Mordaunt, Priti Patel, Charlotte Leslie, Kwasi Kwarteng, Margot James,
Caroline Dinenage, Chris Heaton-Harris, Tracey Crouch, Nadhim Zahawi, Karen
Lumley and Jane Ellison present the Bill.
Charlie Elphicke
accordingly presented the Bill.
Bill read the First time; to be
read a Second time on Friday 13 May and to be printed (Bill 174).
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Re:Children (Access to Parents) Bill (HC Bill 174) 6 Months ago
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Oh dear lord Ruby has become the font of all knowledge To bring you back to earth i`m still
having problems with perfecting the Yorkshire pudding any tips?.
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Phoenix1963
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Re:Children (Access to Parents) Bill (HC Bill 174) 6 Months ago
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Wow Ruby, thanks - very comprehensive.
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