Fathers for justice

Nick this sounds more like it, I have to agree with you on all of the points raised here. I have journalists visiting or trawling the internet looking for a story . This is why I have started to write my story, and to hell with the after-math that follows on for doing this in such a public way in blogging.
I agree with you I have experienced a lot on the boards or in the support groups , you are alright when agreeing with the web MASTER or the group ideology which is consistent about the Labour Government policies only being un-realistic and mad concerning family life & values. The groups have done their home work.give them credit . I know when I am dealing with a social worker also a police person on the boards. They are working people with more energy than the honest person looking for resolution to the problem after the horrific outcome for their family in the after math of closed court. When you meet up in public you can see the difference these families are literally broken,Matt O Connor is not the enemy. Whoever is coming after him to set him up is pathetic really for even trying.Then let's face it the courts are petty -minded when they dole out draconian rule.
As for Arnie well he is no more damaged than the next guy or obsessive as the rest, he also goes at the same speed , he may have give the F4J a big dig in the media however, I am sure Mr OC has broad shoulders and can carry this off all in his stride same as I will when it is my turn in the foreseeable future.
I got advice of someone , do not react play the game , shut up you will look obsessive ! . These are children we are talking about we will NEVER get over this a professional told me this .In the chat rooms on here people are going to pieces over ex's or stbxs .I do not think they can comprehend the evil sadistic power freaks in court that can really destroy you in comparison to losing your childit is nothing to lose a partner ,or your mind I know what I would chose.It would not be some ex-partner. I would take his hand hand shake it if I met Matt OC , I owe my life to Layton Bevan he pulled me up from out of my scariest night-mare . When my son comes home he is going around to his house and he is going to meet a REAL DAD a REAL man. Out of all of this experience it has been positive to meet these families, I take my hat off to them. Without them where would we all be ? IN THE DARK that is where.
It is a shame you get people fighting to be top dog this is life . There is rivalry every where on the forums. When it boils down to it we all go off in different directions but mark my words we go off stronger wiser for knowing we are a not alone.
A lot of families did not make it ,they committed suicide. Some of these corrupt solicitors & judges reputations go before them on the internet. With help the future client will be so much more savvy and so much more money in their pocket to start a new life abroad than stay and face trial in closed court.
This is what has been achieved so far, many are escaping the system. And quiet rightly so , those that accept the truth you can not win.
Time to open up the courts let people in what is there to hide?

Arnie this e-mail has just arrived from a grandparents group , it was sent to them by Mike Ellis , it is all relevant to this thread so if I may drop it in here now .You can take this as another contribution . I do like to see others having a say on this subject as well. This is sent from Jimmy Deuchers in Scotland grandparentsaprt group .Mike Ellis sent this e-mail to him . Arnie knows this I want every1 to have their say about what is affecting all of us families post court .
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Surely now is the time to focus on the reality behind the likes of Families Need Fathers and Fathers 4 Justice, the truth being that the former has been going for over 3 decades without success and apart from annual membership fee’s are also heavily funded by the very government who has done much to undermine family life since 1997, suffice to say FNF can't run with the hares and hunt with the hounds, for to do so is nothing short of hypocrisy. As for F4J, its founder now blames a father who killed two children as good enough reason to abandon his paid up members for the second time in just a few years, loyalty to his members? I fear not!

This subject is not nor never should be about membership fees, personal egos or a nine till five paid job paid for by the State, it’s about the here and now it’s about securing parity in family law this in the best interest of children and parents alike and sadly both organizations sited above have failed abysmally at the expense of others misfortune and for far to long.

We say this therefore, for over three decades concerned organizations have picked up the gauntlet on our behalf most have come and gone disillusioned and exhausted by the apathy of both State and victim. Hence we say this in all honesty the NSCFC can not do this for you, no more than any other charity or organisation out there can as has been proven time and time again. That you might in all good faith continue to pay membership fees to support groups year in year out hoping for their success, was, is and never can bring the powers that be to your rescue, suffice to say don’t waste your money on empty promises. If you want change as we your fellow victims do, if you want to see your beloved ones again, if you want to stop this continued erosion of your rights as a father, mother, grandparent or extended family member then the fight is yours to behold and in your hands only. Conclusion being, as with the poll-tax, people power on mass was and is the one and only true option left to retrieve what we and our loved ones have lost, indeed which of these two issues are of more importance, the fight for no poll- tax or the children of your heart? The choice is ours and if we want to secure a better future for those that follow then I submit to you that we must grasp this moment now before it is too late, for without doubt “today’s child is tomorrow’s parent” and God forbid we should leave them to face the same fate as we.

National Society for Children and Family Contact (NSCFC) is a registered charity which believes that continuing contact with a child’s parents or extended family after separation or divorce is vital for the child’s balanced development and it works tirelessly to foster those all-important family contacts. As such we offer free support and advice to all those in need. Helpline at National rate on 0870 794 0075 or at www.nscfc.com

Kind regards

Mike Ellis

Chairman: “National Society for Children and Family Contact”.

Tel: 0870 794 0075

www.nscfc.com

Arnie I have a photograph of Jimmy & his wife who I done a video for on You Tube as they had no one to do them a shout out. You would love Jimmy he has been interviewed by the BBC ,sadly this generation we will never see the likes of ever again. I love him to bits. Maybe we will see who stays the course the longest and who achieves some good out of all of this . There has to be some good out of all of this. We all agree on this at least , Whatever the other motives of people in the past or present.

I've read a few of these posts and the one at the end lol... I just want to put my tuppence in... I had to practically force my ex to have our kids, I had them during the week, he was welcome to have them after he finished work, and every weekend, any time in the holidays, whenever he wanted really, but we stuck to weekends... I'll never forget their little faces, all sitting with their jackets on and weekend bags, all lined up on the sofa, waiting for their daddy to pick them up, which often never happened, I'd be phoning his mobile, eventually phoning the pub, kids would be in tears when he didnt turn up and they had to unpack their bags... then the odd time he'd ring at like 9pm after he'd had a good drink and say he was picking them up in a taxi, he sounded ok on the phone, so I let them go, then I'd get a phone call from one of my twins saying he'd fallen asleep on the chair and could I come get them... which I did!...

Long road for a shortcut but, suffice to say, I took the kids to England with my new partner 2 years ago, I still have to take them to see their dad, he never makes the effort to come see them... I applaud Fathers for Justice, apart from exceptional circumstances where fathers should be able to see their kids (we all know what I mean) ... I wish my kids dad was so interested in seeing them.